Sir Julian Lewis: How can persistent shoplifters be deterred if short sentences are abolished?

[The Secretary of State for the Home Department (Shabana Mahmood): The right hon. Gentleman is asking me a question relating to my previous brief, but he will be pleased to know that I expect the new Justice Secretary and Lord Chancellor to set out proposals for dealing with prolific shoplifters in particular, based on some of the conversations and exchanges he and I have had. I know it is a big problem, but the Government will have a response to tackle the scourge of prolific shoplifting.]